A chat with Superkind about online sponsorship

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Hi, welcome to the PTA podcast. My name is Yvonne and I've been a PTA volunteer for a few years now. But I'm just one of thousands of volunteers up and down the country who all want to make a difference to their schools. PTAs are becoming even more crucial in UK schools to boost budgets, and I find it fascinating to talk to other volunteers about the different approaches they take. So please join me in this podcast to share information, generate ideas, debate issues and to celebrate success. And I hope that you can take something away for your PTA today. Hi PTA volunteers and welcome to episode 23 of the PTA Podcast. In this episode, I'm going to share a conversation I had with Karen Mitchell all about his new website, Superkind, which can help your PTA collect online donations. My PTA is going to be doing this next term as we are in the middle of organising a sponsored event at the moment. We try and run one sponsored event per year as we've found them to be one of our best fundraisers, particularly for a small school. They are low effort for our PTA. All we have to do is basically the publicity and the sort of behind-the-scenes admin of how to collect the donations. And since 2021, we have picked events where the children at our school are at the heart of the activity. I think it's so important to try and involve your children in fundraising as they can get so much out of it and bring fresh ideas as well. And having the children directly involved also means that they can help to ask for sponsorship from friends and family, they can use their pester power, and they're not afraid to ask for sponsorship either, which is really helpful. So this also means that we're reaching outside of our normal parent community to raise funds, and I think that's really important, especially again the small school, and obviously means we can raise more than usual, which is great. So since 2021, we have collected sponsorship money online. We happen to be registered with just giving, and when I set it up a few years ago, I did shop around a bit on the internet because there are a few different websites that offer this type of system, and they all have slightly different fee structures. So if you are looking for a website to collect donations, definitely chop around and read the terms and conditions of the website. I know that sounds really boring, and sometimes they are quite difficult to understand when you read through them, but I would highly recommend doing that because sometimes a lot of the fees and the charges are really set out clearly in the terms and conditions, whereas you can't really get a full picture from just browsing around the website, so you're gonna have to do your homework about that. Something else that I looked out for when choosing an online donations platform was whether we could claim gift aid on the donations and whether that gift aid claiming was automatic. We are a charity, a registered charity. I know not all PTAs are, so if you do want to claim gift aid, you do need to be a registered charity. So because we're a registered charity, we could set up ourselves for gift aid. So we went to the HMRC website. If you just have a search for gift aid, it will take you to the right area where you can start the process of registering your charity. And you need to get a gift aid reference number so that when you set yourself up on an online platform to accept donations, you can put that reference number in, and then people making donations to your charity on that platform will be asked if they are if they want to gift aid their donation. Hopefully, they'll just tick yes, and then you can claim an extra 25% on top of their donation from the government. Um, so that's free money, and the charity doesn't pay for it, the person donating the money doesn't pay for it. So uh a whopping 25% is a huge amount extra to have. So if you are a charity, um I strongly urge you to do this now. You can take this as a recommended action from this episode of my podcast. It can take a little while to go through the process. I think for us, it took a few weeks to actually get our reference number. So it's definitely not quick. And when we were doing it, we needed it really urgently because we were setting up our our sponsored activity and we really needed it. So if you do it now, um even if you don't have plans for a sponsored activity or for plans for claiming any gift aid on any donations, then at least it's it's um been started and you and hopefully you will get your reference number um and then you've got it forever. It's it's unique to your charity, so you don't have to apply for a new reference number when you do a particular type of event or anything. It stays with your charity. So once you've got it, you've got it and you've done the hard work. So if you're having a bit of a lull in your PTA work right now and you don't have your gift aid number, then I would highly recommend that you put that at the top of your to-do list because it's it's really worth getting it. So, as I said, there are a few different websites where you could register your PTA to collect donations from a sponsored event, and there is a new one which has much lower fees, but more importantly, I think it's all about involving and empowering children to make a difference in their communities by doing something for the PTA, for example, or by supporting a cause that they feel really passionate about. I think we had some children at my school who wanted to raise money for a particular charity. So there's a lot of ways that Superkind, this website I'm going to talk about, um, can help children be proactive. So I had a chat with Karen Mitchell, who is one of the co-founders, to find out more about why he set it up and how it can benefit PTAs. So why don't you have a listen to our conversation? Karen, welcome to the PTA podcast. Thank you so much for coming to talk to me about your superkind website. Uh, before we get into that though, perhaps you could tell my listeners a little bit about yourself.

Sure, thank you so much for having me. Um, so I'm Karen, I've got four kids myself, um, ranging between three is the youngest and twelve is the oldest. Um and I created Superkind with my wife because we wanted to see we we love seeing our kids get involved in social action and the sort of benefit that it has to them, how sort of empowering it is um for them to learn that they can have an impact over things that they care about. Um, but we sort of felt like they weren't doing much of that at school. Um, and that was a sort of time and resources issue, particularly at the sort of primary school level. So we basically decided to build a platform for schools to be able to kind of educate and inspire young people to be change makers.

Wow.

Um so that's yeah, that's kind of what we did.

Um okay. And have you had any experience um with PTAs at all in in your own parenting experience?

Yeah, I have. I've I've worked on sort of PTAs um at two schools that my kids have been at, always doing things on the sort of fundraising slash charity side of things, um, which which is great. I mean it's there's always so much kind of passion and enthusiasm from kids and families around that.

Yeah. So you said that you were inspired to set it up with your wife based on your experience as a parent and wanting to help your children or support your children do more things. Is there things that your children were doing? What kind of things were they interested in?

Yeah, so they were they were it's so interesting because they've all got such different interests. And my eldest daughter, she was really interested in things like gender equality and also animals. Um my son was actually very ill when he was born, and his life was saved by Great Ormond Street Hospital, and he's sort of always been um kind of devoted to wanting to give something back to Great Ormond Street, so he's sort of done fundraises for them. Um then my next daughter, Darren, is just completely obsessed with animals and particularly koalas, always wanting to fundraise for koalas. And one of the things that we learned, so we were just building resources for schools really and making a platform that was really engaging for kids, but we learned that children couldn't use websites like Just Giving for fundraising because of the sort of privacy and GDPR side of things. And actually, my kids were trying to do a fundraiser and I watched them trying to set up a fundraising page, and they were just completely bamboozled by what all the different buttons and terms and conditions meant.

Yeah.

And I kind of felt like, oh well, I mean, you know, there should be this should be fun, it should be really engaging for kids. Um, and then I was really surprised to learn, I guess, that so many schools were still using paper sponsorship forms as adult. Um and you know, the pain that teachers talked about like cash that you have to collect and then take it to a bank, even though the bank's only open at the same time that school's open. And you know, kids actually money in the bottom of their bags and you know, all that sort of stuff. And of course, you can't get donations from friends and family who live a bit further away. And we just sort of thought, like, this is crazy. Why isn't there like a sort of like a just giving for kids? Um, and we found that there wasn't one anywhere in the world, like even in America. So we thought, okay, well, let's like build it ourselves, uh, which uh, you know, needless to say, took a lot longer and was a lot more complicated, a lot more expensive than we expected.

Yeah, okay.

Um but ultimately we got there.

Yeah.

Um, so now part of Superkind, uh, which I guess is most relevant to PTAs, is that it's a fundraising platform for children and for schools. That was a very long answer to your question.

It was a great answer. So when you go to the parent kind, uh, sorry, not parent kind, superkind website. Um where there's there seems to be sort of a few things going on, like there's obviously a lovely little flashy gold um word of fundraising, which is I guess where the PTAs would probably go, but there are other things going on on the websites because it's not just the fundraising platform, is it? You do other things there.

Yeah, that's right, exactly. So we've got loads and loads of resources for schools uh and for children, which are all about learning about the sustainable development goals and other kind of important big causes in the world. And then we've got lots of case studies of young change makers who have done amazing things, and then we've got um toolkits for different types of social action that children can take where we sort of lead them through it all, and then we've got lesson plans for teachers, um, so there's a whole platform for schools, and we have over a thousand schools who use Superkind in that way, and we also have an award scheme for schools, so we've got lots of kind of content aimed at schools, and then as you say, if you click on the gold fundraising, it takes you to our fundraising platform, which is used by schools, uh used by PTAs, and also used by children on their own to set up a fundraising campaign for things that they care about.

So, and also on the website you have um sort of charities like national charities already kind of loaded in, don't you? So if for example your daughter wanted to raise money for the koalas and her koala charity was already there, she could just set up her own page and it would just go directly to that charity.

Yeah, that's exactly right. So we've got 30,000 charities who are registered, um, but it's so easy for us to add another charity. So if someone gets in touch and normally, although we do have lots of PTAs registered, often a PTA is not registered, so they just touch with us, and then we can normally add them in sort of three to four days.

Yeah, so that's exactly what I did yesterday, in fact, was to have a go on your website to register my PTA. So um the the page that I had to fill in was really easy, it was just the name of the PTA. Um, I think the school, uh the postcode where the PTA was, and then um and that's all I had to send off to start with, and then obviously Superkind came back to me and asked um for more details about my PTA to register my PTA because we are a registered charity, not not all PTAs are, but we are. So um the process seems to be to to have to add your PTA to your charity database, and then um then we're already there, um, so people can then choose us as a charity, can't they? To yeah, that's right.

So you'll get an email shortly um from our partner, Charities Trust, asking you to um provide proof of your bank details. Uh so they do all the kind of anti-money laundering checks and you know, make sure the money's gonna go to the right place, and then that's it. You'll be added as a beneficiary to just go ahead and create a campaign, choosing your beneficiary, um, and you're off to the races.

Yeah. So that is something that is different um between your website and for example just giving. That obviously when we've um registered with just giving, the the donations we receive are come into the PTA bank account direct from just giving. But yours is slightly different, isn't it? Because you have a sort of intermediary website or organization that collects the money. How how exactly does that work?

There is an intermediary, but you wouldn't really notice it. So we're partnered with an organization called Charities Trust, who are a very large, they do lots of mainly kind of payroll giving. Um, so they every week are running payments to thousands of charities across the country. So essentially, superkind never actually kind of handles the money. So the payment gets made, the money goes straight to charities trust, and then they pay it out every week in their usual payout. Right, okay. Um so you wouldn't really notice that it's comes except for on your sort of statement, it might say charities trust, and then underneath would say superkind.

So I guess the so there when you mention like the anti-money laundering checks, I guess just giving probably do their own, whereas um your partner does that for you. Yeah, I understand how it works.

Exactly. And the reason that we did that is because they're so charities trust a very established organization.

Yeah.

Um so they've got all that kind of trustworthiness and already set up with so many charities, so it makes for a kind of very trustworthy, easy way for us to get going at to do it at a low cost, I guess. Yeah, and that's part of why we can not charge anything. Um, because they're a charity and we're a social enterprise, so it's it's super efficient rather than us having to hire loads of staff to do it all ourselves and then have large fees.

Yes, I wanted to ask you about that because on your website obviously it says that there's no fees. Um there's obviously the credit card fee that everybody has to pay. Um so I just wondered how, with no fees, how you actually manage to run a superkind website with no fees. That's a very good question. It doesn't seem like there's any money there at all.

Yeah, yeah, that's the yeah, key question in my life at the moment. Um so firstly, you're right. So we just have the credit card processing fees, which for Superkind are 1.2% plus 20p, which is quite a lot lower than other websites, again, because we're a social enterprise, um, we're not adding anything on that ourselves. Um, and then if a uh PTA claims gift aid, um, on there's a 4% gift aid reclaim fee just on the amount that's reclaimed for the gift aid, not on other donations. Um and the we don't charge, as you said, anything. Um, but at the point that someone makes a donation, so if a charge makes a fundraising page and sends it out to grandma and grandpa to make a donation, we ask if grandma and grandpa would consider an optional donation to Superkind. Um, and some people do, some people don't, and that's fine. Um and that in theory um will cover our costs.

Okay, okay, I see. And that's interesting as well. So the gift aid, um the fee on the gift aid is four percent, and I know that the just giving fee is higher at five percent, so again, that's a bit lower, isn't it? Which is which is beneficial, excellent.

And I guess the main thing to say is that although we've got a lot of fees, which is great, um superkind is only for schools and PTAs and children. So we've all got lots of kind of behind the scenes features that are just like when a PTA logs in to manage the campaign and to see who's raised what and to download reports and all that kind of stuff. Um, it's all you know been built with PTAs basically, so we know it's super user-friendly. Um that's everything that a PTA would want. And then the last thing is that of course it's the only website that allows the children to create their own fundraising page. Yeah. Which is I I know it some PTAs use that, but lots don't. You know, lots just want to have a central page and not involve the kids in in creating their own pages, which is completely fine. But it's great when when the kids do create their own connected pages because then they're really involved in the fundraising process. It's really empowering for them. Actually, it raises way more money because they send their pages much wider than the school could send the page to.

Yeah. And I I really love that part of your website where you're really encouraging the children to take part, because in my experience, it is the children who are the most excited about raising money or the most excited about taking part in an event and doing the activities. And because I I did a an assembly a few years ago at my school explaining what a colour run was to the children, because we were organising one of those, and they were so excited about it and had so many questions. And I knew I would know that if I could go to an assembly at my school and ask for volunteers for a summer fair or something, the children would all put their hands up because they're excited about it and they want to take that responsibility and take part, um, much more so than the adults, frustratingly, for a PTA, because we're always lacking in volunteers. Um, but we know we can always get children to volunteer and it's so lovely.

Very nice. It's such a nice part of their, I guess, uh essentially their education. And and actually there's lots of research that shows that if you engage children in this kind of activity when they're quite young and they have a really like good, you know, feel the empowerment and have a good time, it actually makes them way likely to more likely to be charitable when they're grown up. Um, and you know, personally, I I don't really care how many like French verbs my children know when they do school, but I really do care that they, you know, want to be good people and they want to support charities. So it's really great, I think, getting them involved in that way and and empowering them like that. And you know, hopefully I talk to parents now and they're like, oh yeah, I remember at school, you know, we did this and that fundraiser, and I had to do that. And it it really sticks with people.

It does, you're right. And and the amount of skills a child can acquire, I think, from standing behind a table and helping younger children or their friends doing an activity, and then you know, making sure they handle the money if you're accepting cash. Um, there's just so many aspects of it that I think they get so much out of. And and of course the responsibility of of managing that small area on their own or with a friend, I just think it's fantastic. And then, you know, for the PTA to then be able to say, Oh, this is how much money was raised, and and you were a part of that, you know, the children were a big part of that. Yeah, I can't fantastic.

And I think when PTAs are raising money for things that are directly connected to the school, then the children feel a sense of ownership, um, that they're suited to you know the new library or you know, whatever it may be, and that's really nice.

Yeah.

W we I came across some research um that said that um it was talking about the problems of the schools raising money for like National Awareness Days, but not involving the children, where maybe the parents just make a donation to a charity. And so it was for children in need, I think it was, which is obviously an amazing charity and it's great to raise lots of money for it. But it showed that a majority of the young people who were raising money um thought that the purpose of the fundraiser was to buy a new eye for Pudsy the Bear, the kind of the mascot. They just didn't understand the kind of impact or how it was going. But if kids are involved and if they have to like make their own fo their own fundraising page to send out to their friends and family, like it forces them to like get to grips with okay, what is this charity? You know, why am I raising money from my school? What you know, what do they want to buy? Why is it important? And then they have to synthesize that information and write it down, and it's it's just a really great process to be a part of, I think.

So we switched to um online sponsorship um during the COVID years. I think it was 2021 where we ran a uh sponsored event where we got the children to pick their own challenges. We called it challenge 21, and they picked their own challenges. To complete over 21 days. And we set up at the at that point, I don't think Superkind was around, but we set up a just giving page so that the whole school could contribute to the campaign. And it was one of our most successful fundraisers ever because the children all took part and they all made a pledge of what they were going to do. And so I th if we ever ran that event again, I think using the Superkind system would work really well because the kids, some of them, obviously you said not everybody needs to, but some of them, if they wanted to, could set up their own mini page that would then link into like the umbrella of the of the main campaign, I suppose.

Yeah, that's exactly right. So the PTA sets up a main page and then it's really easy. Any kid can just hit join this campaign and create their own fundraising page. And so we know that across the site, the average amount raised by an individual child's page is about £85 plus gift date.

Wow.

Um so obviously, if you've got like a hundred kids taking part and creating their own page, like that's a lot of money.

Yes, it is. It's an awful lot.

It's really great. Um one thing that I should say is that we really believe that although it's really fun to have it competitive and like we have things in place for like classes or houses to compete, one of the things we're really careful about is never displaying basically you could never see from the front end who is fundraising or how much they've raised as an individual child, because obviously we know that not everyone has the same resources and nobody should ever feel bad, you know, about about fundraising. So it although it's possible for the PTA to see behind the scenes how much everyone's raised and who's taken part, we don't have things like leaderboards or you know displays of you know who's who, um, which is partly I think good just for like privacy. Like superkinds pages don't show in Google results, the um any photos and videos that a child adds are password protected. So there's lots of kind of privacy stuff. Um, but we also just make sure that when we have pages like that with hundreds of kids taking part, no one visiting the page who's not the PTA can see who they are and what they've raised.

Yeah, no, I think that's really important because as you say, not everybody does have a big family or a local family, or you know, no, we don't want to make anyone feel less like they've helped less because everybody every little helps, isn't it?

Exactly. And so parents, you know, if kids don't want to take part, parents can just donate straight to the school's overall page. But as you said, it pulls through the kind of donations from from all sort of sub pages.

So do you know any practical details about how a child sets up their own page on your website? Does it Yeah?

So it's really simple. Um so normally a school will set up the a PTA will set up the campaign first.

Okay.

Um and then they can invite children just to literally click a button on that page that says join this campaign. Um they create an account with very minimal details, which include the key thing is that it includes their parents' email address. Okay. Um, because we get parental approval to create the account, and then parents can then choose how much um sort of monitoring they want to do. So either we can email the parent in advance of anything being published, so like if a child creates a fundraising page, the parent can preview it before it goes live, or we can just notify them once it's gone live, so that child creates it and they get an email saying it's gone live, here it is if you want to check it out. And that's the sort of key element that makes superkind uh legally um sort of safe for school use when other sites aren't, that kind of oversight. Um, but it's so super easy, and then then the kids can just create their page and it's really fun and they can colour it and do you know terrible looking fonts and stuff like that, make it really gearish.

Um that's what my son would do for sure.

Yeah, it it's it can be pre-filled with sort of all the information from the um PTA. So, you know, if there's a short paragraph about why you're raising money, that can automatically go into the kids' page, and then they can edit that or not edit that. But you know, it means if they want to do it really quickly, they can.

That sounds really easy and and really nice actually, again, for the child to personalize it and before they send it out to their family or whatever. Yes, that's fine.

And then they like earn badges and you know stuff like that.

Oh, that's really great. I really love that idea. Um, I was looking at your super kind uh Facebook page and I saw some competitions on there. Um, just could you tell us anything about that? Is that for the PTA side or is that more for the school's um social action side?

Yeah, from time to time we run competitions for PTAs. So like in the autumn term, we ran a sort of 2500 prize, uh 2500 pound prize. Yeah. Uh for PTA that involved the most, got the most children creating their own fundraising pages.

Okay.

Um, and it's definitely something that we'll look to do again. Okay. Uh I don't think we're doing it this term because cash doesn't allow for it'll be fun to do it again. Um, and then we have this award for schools, which is called the Social Impact Schools Award, and that runs all year long, and that is recognising schools who do a great job at social action and involve the kids in lots of social action activities. Um so we have uh over a thousand schools taking part in that this year.

Wow, that's good.

And obviously, if kids do a big fundraiser, that would count towards the school learning the award. So um definitely, yeah. If anyone's listening who's also kind of on the teaching staff, that's that's a really nice thing to get involved in.

Yeah, and they can just go to your website and find all the details on that, I guess.

Yeah, exactly. If they just click on the schools tab, then all the kind of resources for schools, including that, come up.

Great. So, what are your hopes or your plans for Superkind in the future, Karen?

So I really feel that social action work and charity work and basically empowering our kids to care about their communities and to care about the wider world is one of the most important parts of their education. Unfortunately, at the moment it's not a central part of the curriculum. So, although lots of schools will fit it into PSHE or assemblies or even after school clubs, um, and I and although offstead actually do care about it quite a lot, it's something that's often just kind of pushed by the wayside. So we are trying to make social action as accessible and fun and engaging as possible for kids and for teachers, so that every school across the country wants to give, you know, wants to and can give their children a meaningful social action experience because we know from loads of research that that will help to ensure that our kids have an impact now, but also you know, come out of school as change makers and as people who care about this stuff, which is you know, in my mind, the most important thing in the world. So we are trying to just get out to every school um across the country. Um, you know, part of that through the fundraising platform is about empowering kids and is about supporting schools to raise as much money for themselves and for other charities as possible by taking costs out of the system um and making it as fun as possible. So, really, we just want to um you know keep spreading to more schools so that they can do that, keep making life easier. Like, for example, we have a feature that is gonna go live in a couple of weeks, which allows schools to split a fundraiser between more than one charity. So, for example, people raise money 50% for themselves and 50% for whoever it might be. Yeah, you know, WWF or something. Yeah, um, because lots of schools said to us, you know, that's something that they like to do, they like to raise money for more than one charity or for themselves or something else. Uh so wherever possible, we're trying to kind of help schools and PTA members to have for their life to be just a little bit simpler.

That's always a welcome thing. Well, it sounds like you're trying to do a really, really good thing and and to empower the children and to basically I think it's so important to perhaps remind ourselves that it's great to help other people. I think in our lives and society right now, I feel like everything's very focused on the individual. And so any any chance we can get to remind people that helping others for free, you know, giving up your time and your skills and things is is really good for everybody, including the person that's doing it, because you gain so much from it, don't you? Yeah. Just helping out.

Exactly. And even if what you're helping out is essentially, you know, your own cause and your own community. Because you know, I've you know, a huge majority of our people using Superkind are schools raising money for their own school. But I think showing the children and even sometimes showing the families that look make a difference here. Like we have real agency over our own environment. Um, and when we get together and do something, you know, fun and inspiring and engaging, we can raise loads of money and we can, you know, upgrade the playground and then the kids will be playing on that for the next 20 years.

Yeah, yeah.

It's I think it's really meaningful.

Yeah, it is, and and a very wholesome activity and and something, yeah, I would definitely want my children to come out of school having had those experiences, like you say, um, which can be just as valuable as you know, whatever they're learning in the classroom during the day. Yeah.

Exactly. And it's also, you know, uh great fun for PTAs, I think, when you know, I think these big sponsored events um are often the most fun parts of the calendar because they don't take anywhere near the same amount of work as something like a summer fair or a Christmas fair. Um, you know, in a sense, a lot of the responsibility and work is being passed over to the children.

Absolutely, yeah.

But everyone is coming together as a community. Um, and you know, if you're trying to hit targets or you know, it it's really fun.

Yeah, yeah, it's it's a great thing. So could you just remind my listeners where they can find Superkind online?

Yes, definitely. So we're superkind.org or superkind.com, um, and it goes to our superkind.org site, and then um just click on the fundraising tab and hopefully very self-explanatory and easy.

Yeah, that's great. Well, thank you, Karen. Thank you so much for coming on the PTA podcast today. It's been so interesting to talk through your aspirations for superkind and aspirations for like society as a whole, which is huge but great, um, and to get more details about how PTAs can benefit from your system. So thank you very much.

Thank you so much for having me.

I just loved my conversation with Karen. It was so interesting to meet the person behind the website and to hear all about the um the values that he holds and the reasons why he created uh that online platform. So I really hope that you enjoyed it too. There's just a couple of things I wanted to add. Um, he mentioned that when you put a donation into the Superkind website, it doesn't come from Superkind into your PTA's bank account, it comes from Superkind to an organisation called the Charities Trust, and they then pay it into your bank account. And I just wanted to reassure you about that really because it um if you haven't heard about that before, it might sound a bit strange, but my school has actually had money from the charities trust in the past. So we um used to have a parent that that came to our school who was able to claim matched funding through um uh the uh company that they worked for. So they would excuse me take part in the PTA event, let their company know how much we raised at the event, and their company would um offer the same amount of money that we had raised as matched funding, and the matched funding money was sent to our school um via the charities trust. So I just wanted to reassure you that it's a legitimate thing, it's not a new thing, it's been around for a while, and a lot of big companies use it to help them make donations to charity. So just wanted to let you know about that. And I have actually started to set my PTA up on the Superkind website in anticipation of our fundraising event next term. Uh, I chose to have a go on their website uh because Karen has I feel like he's really put the children at the centre of the fundraising with this website, and I'm so intrigued about the fact that the children can create their own fundraising pages which can then link back to the PTA's page. And I am hopefully going to offer that as an option to the children at my school because I I'm just so interested to see, first of all, if they take it up, and secondly, how um how it goes for them and what their little pages will look like and how easy it is to use, that kind of thing. So hopefully, we can have a play around with that and I'll let you know how it goes. The other benefit to Superkind, which we didn't have when we used the Just Giving website, is the generation of reports. So my treasurer um needed to have some reports from Just Giving just to um go over when Just Giving paid us money into the PTA bank account. Um you actually have to pay for those on just giving, you have to set up uh a special sort of membership to have access to those reports, which I found really frustrating because I I just think those things should be free, quite frankly. Uh and I know that the Superkind website, as Karen mentioned, can you can get an awful lot of reports out of that system. So and uh there's no extra charge for that. So if you if you wanted to get your data out, then that's that's easy to do. Um and I really think that the the Super Kind website really fits very well with the ethos of what a PTA is, which is bringing a community together to have a common goal to raise money for a particular project at school. And I just love the fact that it it sort of centres around that theme, and as he said, it's just for schools and PTAs, whereas obviously the other funding platforms are designed for lots of different uses. So I'm quite excited to give Superkind a go. Um, if you have used Superkind, I would love to get your feedback on it. So do let me know. Why don't you drop me an email with hello at ptapodcast.com. And that's it for episode 23. Thank you very much for listening. I am hoping to get some more interviews with people who are involved in companies that support PTAs. I think it's really interesting to find out more about them and why they were set up and how they work. So hopefully, I can bring you some more insider information about some of those companies that we're all familiar with because we're on the PTA. But do let me know how your fundraising is going at the moment. It's uh towards the end of term three now, so I guess people are looking towards Easter and perhaps even beyond to the summer holidays. So I do hope it's going well for you. I hope your volunteers are eager to get started, possibly on your summer fair planning. Um, and I will speak to you next time. Bye for now.