What happened at my AGM and EGM

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Hi, welcome to the PTA Podcast. My name is Yvonne and I've been a PTA volunteer for a few years now. But I'm just one of thousands of volunteers up and down the country who all want to make a difference to their schools. PTAs are becoming even more crucial in UK schools to boost budgets, and I find it fascinating to talk to other volunteers about the different approaches they take. So please join me in this podcast to share information, generate ideas, debate issues, and celebrate success. And I hope that you can take something away for your PTA today. It's starting to get dark now by 4:30, 5 pm, and I've had to check that I know where every uh winter woolly is in our house, like hats, scarves, gloves, etc., just in case you know we get one of those random uh cold spells. Um, the weather here in the UK is always very unpredictable at this time of year, so I'm trying to get organised before suddenly it's upon us. Um, but actually, so far, autumn here has been quite kind to us. It's still quite mild, although we have had, as usual in the UK, quite a lot of rain. So, how was your half-term holiday? Mine was pretty good, but as usual, with all school holidays, it went past in the blink of an eye, and suddenly we're back at school and it's turned. So, during the holiday, my eldest son had a school trip to Iceland for his GCC geography course. So, while he was out there, we decided to go on a little mini break as a family of four. Um, which because we never get to go away as a family of four, so we decided to go to Cornwall for a couple of days to breathe in some sea air and just I don't know, have a lovely change of scenery. It was really nice, actually. I'm so glad we made the effort to do it. Where where I live in the UK, it's it's hard to do a day trip to a decent beach. Um, I think it's maybe a two-hour drive to do that, so we don't tend to go to the sea very often, and I really feel like we don't spend enough time on the beach as a family. When my children go to the beach, they have the most amazing time. They just they can be there all day with no phones and no toys, they can just play on the beach and paddle and mess about with the seaweed and the stones and loads of things. So it's a really I feel like it's a really wholesome activity that we can do, and just hearing the waves and looking out um into the ocean, see if you can see any boats. It's just there's just so much to do at the beach. So um it's uh it was really nice that we got a chance to go, and it felt like we all had a bit of an energy recharge um to spend time near the sea. Uh, my son came home with amazing photos and stories from his trip to Iceland. He even saw the Northern Lights, which was completely the icing on the cake for him, and uh he went out there for about four days with a jam-packed schedule, and I wish I could have gone on the trip. Um, when I saw all the things that he was going to see in Iceland, oh, it looked absolutely amazing. So he I think they saw ten different types of waterfalls, they went to a hot spa, it wasn't the blue lagoon, it was called the Sky Lagoon or something. Uh, they spent time in Mekkievik, they did saw some boiling mud and some geezers, and I think they also donned uh crampons and ice axes and went for a walk on a glacier, so they did absolutely loads. He was absolutely shattered when he got home. Uh, and but he talked us through all his photos and it looked incredible. But unfortunately, no parent helpers because this was a secondary school trip, so no parent helpers, they just took eight teachers with them. Uh, I have a huge respect for teachers that do trips like this, and I'm so grateful to them for giving up their holiday to take my child on an amazing trip. I really hope the teachers did enjoy themselves as well, seeing all those really cool things. But uh, it just looked like so much fun, and you know, being on the coach with all your friends, and uh for I know for some of the children it was the first time they'd been on an aeroplane, so that was exciting, and you know, sharing a hotel room with your friends, it's just so many fun things that you can tick off about a trip like that. So he had a great time, and we had a nice time just to get a change of scenery, and then basically we spent most of the rest of the holidays at home. So, uh, as you know, I've had some uh building work done at my house, so we still have builders uh popping in from time to time. So we did have somebody here putting in some skirting boards and some doors for us, and my son, once he got back from his trip to Iceland, was busy revising for exams that he's um he's he's doing now. Now he's gone back to school, and then for my other two children, I was helping them to get ready for Halloween. So we always do quite a lot at my house for Halloween. Um, and my kids get really excited about Halloween and they start talking about Halloween in September, and we try to make a little plan of what we're going to do. So, this um our our Halloween uh approach, shall I say, started back when it was COVID. Uh so before COVID, um the kids just used to go trick or treating around the village like just like normal, and then when it was Halloween at COVID, we did a um a drain pipe from uh one of the top bedroom windows in my house. We took a bit of drain pipe off the garage, a bit of guttering, uh cleaned it obviously, and then um hooked it up so it was out of one of the bedroom windows and down onto the driveway. And we put a bell at the bottom on the driveway with a little sign saying ring for sweets. Uh, so we had trickle treaters. Well, we weren't sure actually if there were going to be any trickle treaters because it was COVID, so we weren't really sure. Anyway, we did get some and they rang the bell, and then my children just sent some sweets down the drain pipe and they slid down to a bucket at the bottom, and the children could pick them up. And my kids loved doing that, and the trickle treaters also really loved doing that. So that kind of inspired us to try some different things at Halloween instead of just handing out sweets, we decided to try something different. So the next year we decided to offer uh drinks instead of sweets, and so we made um a concoction of lemonade, and I made a jelly, like a strawberry flavoured jelly or something, which we broke up into pieces, and then we put some jelly in um the cups with the lemonade, and the jelly kind of floated on top and bobbed around a bit with the bubbles and looked a bit strange. Um, and so we offered that instead, and uh the response we got from the trickle treaters was great, they really liked it. So, ever since then, we've always tried to do something a little bit different. Um, because lots of houses offer sweets, so we just wanted to try something different, really, and uh so that's why Halloween has become quite big in my house, and the children love thinking of new ideas and what they're going to wear. So, yeah, most of the rest of my half-time holiday was um spent planning that with my other two children, and they had a really good Halloween. We had some friends over, so they they had dinner together and then went trickle treating and welcomed trickle treaters to our house. So, yeah, it was it was good, and the weather this Halloween was fantastic. I think in quite a few Halloweens gone past, it's been quite rainy, but this time it wasn't at all, so that meant we didn't have to shelter our things under a canopy, and the face paint that my children use didn't wash off their faces in the rain, so everybody uh enjoyed Halloween today. Anyway, we are now past the holiday and into term two, where things are looking a little bit different for me on the PTA front, as I am no longer the chair of my school's PTA. So, in this episode 21, I'm going to tell you all about what happened at my AGM and then my EGM and just give you uh an update. So if you have listened to episode 19 of my podcast, you will know that I was really dreading my AGM this year. I didn't know of anybody who wanted to take over the role of chair on the PTA. So, as if you've listened to my podcast a long time, you'll know that I've been chair for quite a long time. I've been chair for seven years, and last AGM I decided that this was going to be my last year's chair, which was a really hard decision for me to make, but I felt it was the right time to do that. My younger son still has another two years left at primary school, but I wanted to kind of more enjoy those last two years with him and um still be part of the PTA and the volunteering, but perhaps just take uh some of the responsibilities of chair off my shoulders. That's what I actually wanted. So I said at my last AGM that this was going to be my last year and I would be stepping down this year at the AGM. So I gave a year's notice to the school and to my PTA team and to the parents because I did email out to tell everybody that we were going to be looking for a new chair. And so, since uh so during the year, I emailed out to all the parents at least twice explaining uh what needed to happen that somebody needs to step up to be the chair, and I also asked my PTA team formally about three times if anybody was interested in taking on the role. We definitely needed somebody to do it, and in all cases, there was either no response at all from the parent community, we had absolutely no response at all to any of the messages, um uh, or from my PTA team, I had I did have responses, but most all of them were um reasons why they couldn't take on the role of being chair, and I have to say that I completely respect all of the reasons why somebody would feel that they could not take on the role of of chair. It is quite different to being a general uh member of a PTA to to being the chair, so I totally understand why people felt that they couldn't do that, and um uh they're all very legitimate reasons. Unfortunately, it's still left the problem that we didn't have a chair. And the other thing that we needed to work on at the AGM was our constitution. So our existing constitution for my PTA uh was dated from 2002, so it's pretty old. And when I looked through it with uh my treasurer, we realised that it was even referencing laws which were now out of date and have been superseded by new laws, so we felt that with the change of chair, now might be a really good time to also change our constitution. So I had a look at the parent-kind model constitution, which I know a lot of PTAs use, um, which did reference up-to-date laws and I think was written or last updated in 2021, so it's really nice and up-to-date, which is great. The other reason for changing our existing constitution was that our existing constitution named four committee positions that our PTA needed to have, and because our school is quite small, um, we weren't able to fill all of those committee roles easily, and I felt it was a better move to try and move away from that kind of structure towards a structure more like the parent-kind constitution, where that constitution says that our PTA only needs to have two elected members for it to for your PTA to sort of work and run, and I felt that was a better model for our school. So I was quite keen to um make sure that my PTA adopted that constitution before I left as the chair. Unfortunately, we made that decision uh a bit too late to do that at the ADM, but that was the plan going forwards. So the day of the ADM dawned, and as I mentioned in episode 19, I was really nervous about the meeting. I knew that I was going into the meeting still with no new chair on the horizon, and I wasn't really sure how to chair that part of the meeting where we get to the bit where we have to elect committee positions. I wasn't really sure what I was going to do, but basically I just had to go for it, so but that's what I did. So at the meeting, we had it at school because I like having the AGM at school, surrounded by the things that we have purchased as a PTA, I just think it's really nice. Um, we had the head teacher and the executive headteacher there, and members of the PTA team. Um, and we had one random parent come along who I felt didn't really know what she was there for, but she was there anyway, so we welcomed her. Uh, so we started the meeting, we got through the chair's report and the treasurer's report, and then we were on to the elections. So obviously I asked if anybody was interested in the chair's position just in case you know somebody had changed their mind overnight or something, you never know. But there was uh silence, no response. So I decided to just move on past that. Um, we elected, we re-elected sorry, our treasurer and we re-elected the secretary, we talked about trustees, and we talked about a new constitution, a little bit that we would have to do at a separate meeting, and then we went back to talk about the chair's position, and we had a chat about options for the chair's position. For example, I mentioned a few times to my team that they could co-chair, so we could have two chairs, which I felt might be a good option just to take the pressure off one person, and so you have another person to kind of help and support you. Um, and somebody at the meeting asked whether there was a job description for the role of chair, and we don't actually have a job description for the role of chair or treasurer or secretary. Um, so the agreement at the AGM was that we would find a job description for the chair so that we would share that with the whole of the parent community so people understood exactly what the chair was supposed to do in the PTA, and we would also share the constitution around the parent community because everybody needs to have a read of that before it's voted in, and therefore we agreed to hold an EGM, which is an extraordinary general meeting in uh three weeks' time, to adopt the model constitution and hopefully try again to elect a chair. So for me at the AGM, I stood down from being a trustee and I was not elected to the PTA committee going forwards, so I was kind of sort of floating in limbo a little bit because I agreed to chair the EGM meeting because it has to be chaired by somebody, and I was nobody else von tier, so I basically said I'd be happy to chair it because I felt that the that would then move things forwards, even though I didn't really want to chair it, but anyway, um I did agree, and I also agreed to find a job description for the chair's position. So I came away from the meeting feeling a little bit better, and I felt better because there was a a plan going forwards, and also just to have had that chat about the chair's role with the team was was positive, and everybody could then see the situation that the PTA was in without the chair. Um I think the way that I have been chair for the last seven years is I have taken on a lot more responsibility than if you looked at chair's job description, you would assume the chair would actually do. So when I actually started looking for chair's job description, they were the job descriptions were more focused on sort of being a leader of the team, managing the team, managing the charity rather than doing the fundraising and doing the events, that kind of thing. And that's I have not been chair in that way. Obviously, I have managed the team and led the team, but I have also done loads of other things by managing most of the fundraising events. Um, and I think that quite a few people felt that they couldn't do the role in that way. So finding a job description was uh I think helpful going forwards. So I had a look online and I found a suitable one on the PTA Plus website. So I adapted that one to suit our PTA. I just changed a couple of details, that's that's all really. And I put together a tiny agenda for the EGM, which basically just had just had a welcome introduction thing on it, then adopting the constitution, then electing a chair, and then any other business. So it was very tiny agenda, very focused agenda, actually. And I circulated that agenda together with the mm the new constitution that we wanted to adopt and the chair's job description uh to the whole parent community, inviting them to come to the EGM. So the AGM that we had was held in person at the school, and that was the plan for the EGM too. But eventually some of my team had to drop out to actually coming to the meeting in person, so I felt it was better if we just changed it to an online meeting because I I basically needed people to come to the EGM so we could sort out the chair's position. It did actually work out better to have it as an online meeting in the end. When we did the AGM, uh one member of my team couldn't make it, so she joined via Zoom. So I had her in the laptop at my AGM, and I actually found that quite tricky to chair the meeting with one person being online. Uh, I was just really conscious that I didn't want to miss anything. If she wanted to say something, I um didn't want to miss um giving her the opportunity to join in. And of course, when you're in a meeting with people physically, you get clues from them when they want to say something, like they might put their hand up or shift in their seat and um make eye contact with you, which kind of all shows that they want to speak. Whereas if somebody's on the laptop, it's actually quite difficult. I well, I I certainly found it difficult to keep an eye on whether she wanted to say anything and make space for her to join in the meeting. So when more people dropped out and wanted to join online, I just felt that it with the meeting being the meeting that it was, it was already quite difficult. I didn't want the additional difficulty of uh trying to include online people with people in the room. So, in the end, changing it to be an online meeting was actually a blessing in disguise. Also, because it was a tricky meeting, I um think I would have felt perhaps a bit more intimidated if we'd all been in the same room together. But changing it to an online meeting meant that we could share the link out to the whole parent community, and we did actually get a lot more people. Come to the meeting in the end, which was a bonus and a positive thing, so that did work better overall. Uh that was good. But on the day of the AGM, I still didn't have anyone that I knew of that wanted to be the chair, and I just felt like I really needed some advice from someone. Um, and I also felt that this problem of having no chair going forward was all on my shoulders. I I could really have done with some more support from my team and my school, and so I felt quite alone with trying to sort out the problem of getting another chair. Nobody else seemed to really be doing anything about it. Um and I did care very deeply about this problem. I I've been, as you know, I've been chair for seven years, and I wanted the PTA to continue as I felt it's a huge asset to our school, to the parent community, to the children, and I didn't want the PTA to crumble as I stepped down. I didn't want to be the chair who actually had to fold the charity because nobody wanted to take it forwards. I really desperately did not want that to happen. And as nobody seemed to be coming forward, those were the thoughts that were running through my head, and I um I actually found it quite hard to talk to people about that because when when you need when there is a gap on a committee and you need someone to fill it, I I sort of felt like every time I approached people they didn't really want to speak to me because they might be worried that I was going to try and persuade them to be the chair or something. I don't know. It was just a really difficult situation, and I and I with hindsight now I would really have appreciated some more support there from my school community. Anyway, I decided to phone parent kind to ask them about what happens if we don't get a new chair at our EGM and what the next steps to that would be because I genuinely didn't know. Like I say, I've been chair for seven years and I've dealt with a lot of stuff, but I've never dealt with this situation before because at the AGM I've always volunteered to be the chair, and suddenly uh that's not happening, so this was very new to me. And the lady I spoke to, so I told the lady I spoke to that we were going to be adopting the parent-kind model constitution, so she kind of just ran through with me what that would mean for the way that our charity was run. Uh, and one of the things that I liked about their constitution was that we only needed two committee members to be elected, and there were no named roles, so it was very flexible, which I think is really helpful for a PTA. Because how your PTA is run and how it's organised and everything, I think really, really depends on your school and its community and how big your school is and how many volunteers you've got. So something that's more flexible can only be a good thing, I think. Uh, she explained also that all your elected members, so all your elected committee members are also automatically all trustees of the charity, and so therefore, all the elected members are collectively responsible for the charity for running the charity and making sure that it sticks to its constitution and it's run in the correct way. And so, with that in mind, she basically said that somebody has to step up to be the chair, and then we got caught in this slightly strange conversation where I was trying to say, But what but what if nobody does? And she said, But somebody will have to do it, somebody has to do it, somebody has to step up and take responsibility because all your committee members are responsible for the charity, and I I do understand that and I did agree with that that somebody needs to do it, but I also have you know my sort of sensible head screwed on, and I live in the world of reality, and I know that people have different um you know responsibilities in the real world, and not and there might, you know, the situation could be that there might just not be somebody that would be prepared to do it, and um unfortunately I couldn't get an answer to that particular question from her. So whilst I felt that adopting the new constitution would be helpful for my PTA, I still felt a little bit in the dark about what to do if nobody stepped up to be the chair. Um but uh there wasn't really anything else I could do, so I just had to go for the meeting and see what happened. So yeah, I was back in the same situation. I was going into the EDM with no clear idea of what was going to happen, which was really stressful for me. Really stressful, which made it even better actually that the meeting was online because uh I could be at home in the comfort of my own home, and um yeah, I just think it was it was helpful to me. So we did the EGM. So, first of all, we adopted the new constitution. I kind of got that bit out of the way. I felt like I did a lot of talking and explaining at this point because I wanted to be sure that everybody at the meeting understood what was happening. I wanted to make sure that everyone understood the way that the PTA was structured or what it is, what the charity is, how it works, and what a constitution is and why it's important. So there were some members of my PTA team that were fairly new that perhaps may not have known what that was, and then we had um parents from the parent community who hadn't been on the PTA at all, and so they also may not have understood what that was. So I just decided to start really from the basics to bring everybody up to the same point, and I really wanted to make sure then that when we voted in the new constitution that everybody understood what it was they were voting for. That was very important to me. So once I explained what it was, uh I then went on to highlight some of the clauses in the constitution that would be quite different to our old constitution because again I felt it was important to really make that clear in the meeting. Obviously, I'd asked everybody to read it before the meeting, but you know, not everybody has time, uh not everybody chooses to, and also sometimes these types of governing documents can actually be quite difficult to understand because they use contract language and legal language. So I felt it was my duty as the outgoing chair to make sure everybody understood what it was they were signing up for. So yeah, there were some clauses in there that were quite different to our old constitution. Um, for example, the fact that we only needed two committee members, the fact that any committee members that were elected also had to be trustees, so that was a difference, and that then also cascaded on into the fact that when it's the AGM under the new constitution, the requirement for Coracy was um higher. So I can't actually remember the figures right now, but I think it was the number of committee members doubled plus a few extra you had to have at the AGM to make the AGM a legitimate meeting, and that was um a higher number than our old constitution, and that was significant because we often don't get extra people at our AGM, so I felt it was important to highlight that that could be a challenge in the future to make sure there's enough people there. So I did highlight things that were different, dealt with a few questions, um, and then we voted in the new constitution. So that was all fine, that was done, and then we had to move on to the chair's role. Um, I hadn't really prepared a lot going into this meeting because I really didn't know how to prepare for this second time around, but I have to say, I felt afterwards really proud of how I chaired this part of the meeting, and it kind of came to me in a bit of a flash of inspiration as to how to approach this. So I started off by trying to encourage everybody at the meeting and reminding everyone that we all wanted the PTA to continue at our school, and in fact, we were all at this meeting because we had this in common that we all wanted the PTA to continue. So I basically, because we just had this very dry discussion about the constitution and the governing document, I basically tried to draw everybody back together and remind everyone what we all had in common and what we all wanted, and sort of, yeah, basically go back to basics of what it is we all wanted. And then we talked over the job description for the chair's role, which I had circulated, and I asked uh the meeting if there was anybody who felt they could do the chair's role, and there was no response to that. So in my head I thought, oh golly, what am I gonna do now? And then I thought, okay, I so then I asked, okay, is there anybody who felt they could do one or two of the things on the job description of the chair? Not the whole thing, just maybe one thing or two things on it. And somebody said yes, that they could, and that was the breakthrough that we needed. But somebody said yes, I could definitely do one or two things on that job description. And when we talked it through a bit longer, um she actually said, actually, I think I could I could do the whole thing. So um this was my friend, he was already on my PTA team, and she actually said towards the end that she'd been thinking about taking over the chair for a while, but she wasn't sure, and now she felt she could do it. So what a huge relief. I can't tell you. What a huge relief it was that she said yes, and um, and it was already somebody that was on the team, so they'd already uh she hadn't been on the team for long, maybe about a year, but she obviously had been through some of our fundraising events, and so she knew some of the things that we already did and how it worked and everything. Um, and she'd obviously knew the all the people on the team as well. So that was super great. Um, she did still look very unsure, so I asked her if there was anything on the job description she felt uncomfortable about doing or unsure about doing, and she mentioned a couple of things. Um, I think one of the things might have been chairing meetings, um, but then other committee members uh sort of rallied round and said that they would help and support her with those things, or or perhaps they could chair the meeting for her or something. So it was really nice that she volunteered to be chair and then she was already being supported by the rest of the team, um, which was a really lovely moment actually, and I just kind of sat back and just let people kind of offer their support and help, and I really hope that that made her feel that sh that she could do it, and uh it was really great, a really great moment for my PTA, and a really great moment for the parent community who actually turned up to take part in that. Really, I felt relieved and uh really happy that somebody had the courage to step up to be the chair because that is stepping out of your comfort zone, um, stepping up to do something that you're not quite sure if you can do it or not, you may not have had the right experience, etc. And that is a really brave thing to do. And it was a great ending to my chairship of seven years that I could actually hand over to somebody else. In fact, it was the best ending I could possibly have hoped for, and I feel really lucky that I'm now able to just be part of the team as a general person, so yeah, I can still take part and help out, but in a different way, and I you know, I still feel really passionate about the PTA and what it can do in a school and how important it is to have a group like that at a school, and so it would have been really hard, actually quite heartbreaking, um, to have had to walk away from that. So I feel really lucky that we have a new chair and that I can also still be part of the fundraising team because that is exactly what I wanted. So I feel so lucky to have got exactly what I wanted. Wow, I can't quite I still can't quite believe it, but it's it's very, very good news. It all worked out okay in the end, thank goodness for me. Um, I do know that many PTAs have similar tricky situations, finding volunteers uh, but especially getting replacement volunteers for positions on the committee to help with planning. I know how hard that can be. Obviously, you've just heard what my experience has been. And if you are in a similar position, then I just wanted to say good luck with your situation. Once I actually was in this situation of not knowing where the next chair was coming from, I did realise that there aren't that many places to go to get help and support for PTAs. Um, but there are but there are some places. So there's a brilliant website called PTA Plus, where um they have a lot of information. So they have, for example, committee role job descriptions if that's what you're looking for, um, loads of advice and info about different fundraising. You can do different types of events, different stalls for fates, all sorts of things on their website. So I would really encourage you to have a look through that if you're dealing with any sort of tricky situation in your PTA. If your PTA is a member of Parent Kind, you can also phone them. They have a phone number that you can ring and ask any question and they will try and help you. So that is also another person that you can speak to. Of course, you can talk to your school and your PTA team if you're struggling with anything. Have you ever thought about reaching out to other PTAs local to you? There will be other committees and other chairs that you can talk to about PTA-related topics, and sometimes it's just helpful to talk things through with somebody else who's in a similar position and maybe completely understands or will definitely completely understand how hard it can be at times, and if you need extra support. Sometimes it's helpful to talk to somebody that's not on your own PTA, sometimes you just need a sort of separate person to talk to. So why not consider reaching out to another group and talking to another chair about uh your uh situation? Another place you can find support are the PTA Facebook forums. So there's quite a few on there that you can join and ask questions to. You can ask questions anonymously on Facebook or just ask with your name, and other PTA volunteers will reply with their own experiences, what they've done in the past, or they might have suggestions, or they might be able to point you in the right direction to find some extra help, and that is really invaluable. I would really encourage you to have a look on uh Facebook if you want to find those groups. And finally, there's my podcast. Um I don't know really if this podcast is uh helpful in sorting out any situations. The premise of this podcast is really just to share my experience of being a PTA volunteer with other PTA volunteers in the hope that just hearing somebody else talking about being on the PTA might be helpful to you and hearing about my experiences, whether they're good experiences or bad experiences. I think sometimes just hearing somebody else talk about a similar thing to what you're doing is helpful. So um if I'm helping with this podcast, then that makes me feel very happy, and I um really hope that you get something out of uh the episodes. Well, that's all for me today. I hope your term two plans are going smoothly so far. You're probably all in the middle of organising some sort of Christmas or winter activity, so seriously, good luck with that. I hope you are overflowing with volunteers and helpers, and your school is being supportive of you, and it's all going well. My first PTA meeting as a general member is coming up, um, so we'll be making our plans for this term. So I'll let you know how that goes in my next episode. But I wanted to know have you been in a similar situation to me with looking for replacement committee members? Are you, or did you used to be a chair who wanted to step down and you found it hard to find a replacement chair? I would love to hear about your experience. So do drop me a line using hello at ptapodcast.com. And I just wanted to tell you about a new feature on my uh podcast. If you go to the description of the episode that you're listening to, there's a little uh link at the top now in the description where you can drop me a text, which my podcast hosting website has introduced. So if you had any comments or feedback about a particular episode that you were listening to, just click on that link and you can write a short message that I will see, and that would be lovely to hear what you think about the episode that you've just listened to. I've also recently updated my website. I put a couple of uh extra links on there. So I've um made a link to my friend Eve's gift wrapping business webpage. So I talked to Eve in episode 20 about her gift wrapping and how you could use gift wrapping as a possibly a festive fundraiser if you wanted to organise something a bit different for Christmas. So I've linked to her site on there if you needed any gift wrapping tips or gift wrapping help. And I have also uploaded my um fate or fair planning document that I use when I'm planning a big event like that. I like to get everything out of my head and down onto paper so it's not going round and round around in my head. So I've uploaded that as a template that you could use if you wanted to, um, or obviously you can adapt it to whatever you're using, but just in case it was useful to anyone, I've popped it on there. I put on a blank one and I also put on one um that I have filled out that I used for Christmas fair once, just so you can see how I used it. I've obviously removed any names and personal information, but um, it's just to give an example, really. So, yeah, that's it for episode 21. Thank you so much for listening. Um, I feel so pleased that I have got through my AGM and my first ever EGM, never done one of those before, and uh I can move on forwards now. So I will chat to you next time. Bye for now, I'm gonna go.